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Date: Tue Oct 03 1995 - 15:58:41 PDT
--------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Swayamacharyas and Un-ayyangars Date: 95-10-01 19:25:56 EDT From: Tatachar To: firstname.lastname@example.org Krish said: >>>>The concept of souls existing for ever and being reborn appeals to me and one could propose a Conservation of souls theory. Hence, the more extinct, some of the animal species become, they all appeare to be reborn as humans! US once had many wild buffaloes, in the millions. In Tamilnadu, many rivers were fertile with crocodies a few centuries ago!<<<< The fact you talk of SOUL makes me think that you are not as irreligious as you like to sound! Forgive me, after all Who am I to explain to you your own belief? Charvakas philosophy was irreligious, perhaps so also was B.Russell. I don't know much about these individuals. Buddha thought he was running away from religion as he saw it but he was definitely not irreligious. He is not really an atheist. His self discovery is not too different from Advaita Philosophy. Loss of wild buffalloes and crcodiles are products of human interventions. In one case mindless slaughter for fun and in other case deforestation. The victims here perhaps have to be reborn as humans. Because only a human can do real harm to a human in this day and age. Nevertheless, some of the cunning ones among those animals returned as AIDS virus and the sorts perhaps! >>>>One of the books states that all of us are eternal bliss inside a womb, even gravity free. with no pressures, fed and relieved of the waste and floating in a fluid. The birth process is stressful, crushed and pushed thru a tunnel, one gropes for the ray of light outside, only to find the absence of bliss, experienced before. The theory is that man's dwelling into religion and God is due to this search.<<< Compare this to the Srivaishnava's concept: An infant, as soon as delivered, comes in contact with a sheath of air called SHATAVAYU, which destroys all the wisdom and knowledge the infant had in the womb(which in essence is the awareness of the eternal bliss that is upon us). We have at least two instances in which an infant refused to leave the womb because it will loose its wisdom due to the effect of Shatavayu. In the case of Angiras and Shradda, their son refused to be delivered indicating that it did not want to be bothered by the ill effects of Shatavayu. Poor Shradda, how long can she bare the labor pains? Then Brahma intervened and spoke to the infant saying that the Shatavayu is also a Leela of the God. There is no reason to get mad at it. However he promised that in this special case , He would see to it that the Shatavayu would not wipe out the memory! So convinced the infant left the womb. The boy thus delivered came to be known as SHATAMARSHANAR and it is to his lineage belong Natha Muni, Yamuna Muni (Alavandar), Periya Thirumalai Nambi, and ofcourse Sreekrishna who is writing this! SHATAK(g)OPAR also has a similar origin. I personally am not completely impressed by my great, great......great (n=48) grand father Shatamarshanar. Because, I think, Shatavayu has a purpose and that is to make us less wise and give us an opportunity to ponder and attempt to regain that lost wisdom (to quote Eninstein: Subtle is the Lord but malicious He is not: Nature hides Her secrets out of essential loftiness and not by ruse). We have heard of a Rishi in Ramayana who wanted to see Rama parivar and thus asked Indra, who had come to take him to Heaven to wait. How boring a life it would be to live in a world made of people of perfect wisdom! After all the beauty and fun of life is in imperfections. We all like a child because of its imperfect steps and words. We may be impressed by a child who is prodigeous in a particular field, but an all in all prodigy would be a bore. That's why Krishna is my favorite Avatara: A good blend of everything there is to life. >>>I am taking you away from your topic of interest!<<<<< See, you did not. Actually you walked me deep into it! Ganesha drinking milk, yes I heard more of it thanks to our sensational news media. I also agree, it is in the nature of scoth to vanish faster than milk or ghee! News India Times had numeorous pictures taken in different temples where devotees were serving milk to Ganesha. Things like this I read but does not elicit much interest. That is why I never waited in line to see Sai Baba either, although he was having a convention in Bangalore Lal baug, only a few yards from our house. I have read his books, once you get around the devotees hype, he is quite good. Especially his commentary on Gita. I don't need this sort of evidences. To me the PROBABILITY or lack of it by which the life forms formed and the world I see it self is a miracle. Ofcourse the greatest miracle is that described by Yudhistira in Yaksha Prasna. We hear about death (some suggest this and fear as the origin of all religions) all the time. Yet we carry on with our lives as though it will never happen to us. How we do this is the greatest miracle of all.