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svAmi maNavALa mAmuni being rAmAnujA's avatAra
Date: Thu Nov 29 2001 - 20:01:54 PST

srImathE rAmAnujAya namah
srImathE vara vara munayE namah

dear bhAgavathAs,

A member of this list wrote, in response to srI. 
venkatEsh's mail on  svAmi maNavALa mAmuni being the 
avatAra of svAmi rAmAnuja as follows

Sri Venkatesh and others with similar passionate
adiyEn thinks it is unwise to get into kalai-specific
about who represents the punar-avatAram of udayavar
etc.  Just
so you know, SriRangaRamanuja mahAdesikan (kOzhiyAlam
swAmi) was
hailed as abhinava rAmAnuja during his time in
bhoolokam during
the last century.  Overlapping claims to udayavar's
legacy abound,
and before asserting one's feelings so strongly one
should stop
to think where the discussion is leading towards. 
This is not to
dispute any particular tradition but an attempt to
show equal
respect to all without making mutually exclusive
claims.  We must
understand that even though there is AchArya
paramparai which
attests to certain punar-avathArams, those kalakshepam
are not unformly accepted across SriVaishnavam and
therefore we
must approach such controversial subjects with great

The bottomline in all of the above, and in fact with 
every religious belief we have, is whether we have 
faith in what our AchAryAs have said, and whether we 
accept a particular AchAryA or not.

In this case, many people find it very hard to accept 
that  svAmi maNavALa mAmuni is the avatAram of svAmi 
rAmAnuja - Nothing wrong with that. Everyone is 
entitled to their own opinion and biases. Noone should

force any opinion on anyone. 

If one wants to see the facts behind the case, and
try to understand how our AchAryAs have established 
the fact, then it is there to see. If one has a bias 
for whatever reason, then it is ok too - Just becase a

small section of the "srIvaishNava" community does not

accept/recognize svAmi maNavALa mAmuni (or for that 
matter, any similar history of any other AchArya), the

loss is NOT the AchAryA's, but indeed of the people 
who, due to their bias fail to learn from His 

However, in the grand scheme of things, it really does
not matter for the individual anyway. After all, 
the grace of the Lord is NOT dependent on our
knowldege, and in fact is unconditional.

My suggestion to srI. T.V.VenkatEsh would be not to
waste his time arguing back and forth over this. 
After all no amount of logical argument will 
overcome historical biases. Moreover, we can 
collectively use the bandwidth provided on this group 
for more constructive purposes.

AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam,

adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan,

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