re:issues before srivashnavism-3
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• May 29, 2001
Dear bhaktas, In response to sri venketesan's letter, permit me to write some of the known facts about sAttumuRai at tirumalai as one of the lords fundamental and holy sevas from the time the golla found the lord and reported to the raja. just like the golla and his tanians opens the temple and does first seva of the lord,an inherited formality practiced even to day, it is untenable to cancel or modify this essential vishistadwaita divyaradhana seva. the seva might be originally in the form of divayaraadhana seva instituted by devatas,rushis, later on alwars, acharyas of ramanujar and fur on it was formatted in the from of sAthumurai & stipulated by Sri ramanujar himself and implemented stricltly with no ambiguity from the time immemorial. The very essential rituals and sevas for the god are as important as the other sevas for the public. One will not go, erase or substitute for other. It goes without saying. SAtmurai seva is the gods given right to the righteous vaishanavaites of those 74 simhasanAthipathis (tholappachariars) and other vaishnava stotriya bhaktasas in the order offering the prescribed muRai as revealed by our bhaktar tiruman p.b.anand and v.sadagopan. this age old vaishnava divya seva should be scrupulously implemented by the jeeyers concerned without any bias as the staunch followers of sri ramanujar, preachers of the vaishnavism and the servants of lord concerned duely respected and honoured by devastanams. our holy jeeyars must see that this spiritual seva be continued undiluted. they should justify, convince or fight out to restore the normalacy of this essential seva untouched by the administrators of the tirumala temples. they should see not to meddle this holy religious sAthumarai at any cost superceding the vaishanava sampradhayam and rituals of the temple. Our present maTathipathis,Jeeyars are the true representatives of sri ramanujar and the present pillars of the vaishnavism. Let us all unite, lay prostrate before them, submit our grievences to see that they realise the gravity of the situation,exercise their powers and come forward to see that all these divya sevas be implemented properly. May god bless us and convince the present administrators of ttd, to implement all these sacred sevas efficiently with no bar as prescribed by sri ramanujar. The authorities or any one have no rights to impinge on the freedom of religion and customs of temple sevas and compelling the vaishnava community to do away with their temple rights and their customs concerned upsetting the vaishnava cult. Before I close this letter, let me tell two instances i experienced during my younger days. I used to make frequent visits to tirumala by walk with my cousin late v.g.k. chari (vinjamuri gopala krishnamachari), the staunch devotee of lord venketeswara, famous lyricist who submitted 108 lyrics to the lord during his rigorous septamasa vrata yatra to tirumalai. Whenever we waited for the entrance of SattumurRai, i used to see all the baracades were removed inside, and the bhaktas used to wait for the arrival of h.h. periya jeeyar/chinna jeeyar or his representative ekangi or sisya of the matt. As soon as he comes, the new comers used to introduce themselves by telling ids one by one, or get permission from jeeyangar earlier and obey to join in the line in the order of priority followed - those learned stotrias belonging to the 74 simhasanathipathis stand first in the order,then other learned acharyas followed by other stotriya vaishnava bhaktas and brahmachari students of vedha patasala. He leads us in side the temple straight to the lord. bhaktas of the first category are permitted to go with him inside the holy padi near the god and other vaidikas etc sit out side the kulasekharan padi and follow the "sEvA sARRumuRaik Kramam" in our sampradayam, in praise of god for half an hour. Soon after the completion of sevakAlam we will be served shatari,tErtha prasadams(generally kadabam)on priority basis in line in presence of jeeyar swamy. No anachary will be seen any where due respects to jeeyangars and the stotriya vaishnavites, till our hh jeeyangars and acharyas leaves the place. only then barracades will be restored i being a poor ignorant pandit putra of the famous SaTamarsana tatachari family, used to be permitted inside only if i come within the restricted number of entrants and allowed to sit outside the padi and recite with them. There never used to be any deviation or ambiguity from the rigid system and the number of entrants were restricted to the maximum of 50 only. Now there is complete degradation of these essential divya ardhana sAttumurai seva since last decade or so and the things are moving astray with no strict supervision of the jeeyar swamy and the whole seva goes as a mere formality, and the bhaktas suffer as stooges before the anachari dictatorship, the so called temple authorities. such is the state of the present condition alarming all of us. I pray god to give us all the blessings and help us to overcome the present turmoil and regain respect and glory of the vishanavism and our acharyas. the jeeyangars must wakeup to the occassion and set it right The second interesting experience is the privilage given to acharya purushals of SaTamarsana gotrakaras at tirumalai, that is going on even to day with regard to prathama teertam. I know the most learned acharya purusha late sri tirumala kumara Gopalaswamy iyyengar, lecturer, Sanskrit dept., s.v.univ. tirupati, who used to go by elephant(devastanams) during early morning hours, fetch perumal tErtam from akash ganga at tirumala or from nrusimha tErtum at lower tirupati,get direct seva and prathama teertam by virtue of being strotriya SaTamarshana gotrakara of highly reputed religious scholar here. My wife, vijayalakshmi got the privilage of getting samasriyanam from him soon after my marriage, as my father was no more and my brother was away in usa. with this i remain. all errors if any are due to my ignorence and may please be forgiven srimaNarAyaNa chraNou saraNam PrapadhYe sreemathey NarayaNAya namaha adiyen jairam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ © 1998-2001 USA.NET®, Inc. All Rights Reserved. U.S. Patent # 5,937,161. Users of this site agree to be bound by USA.NET Net@ddress® Subscriber Agreement. USA.NET adheres to a strict Privacy Policy to protect our customers. Dear bhaktas, In response to sri venketesan's letter, permit me to write some of the known facts about sAttumuRai at tirumalai as one of the lords fundamental and holy sevas from the time the golla found the lord and reported to the raja. just like the golla and his tanians opens the temple and does first seva of the lord,an inherited formality practiced even to day, it is untenable to cancel or modify this essential vishistadwaita divyaradhana seva. the seva might be originally in the form of divayaraadhana seva instituted by devatas,rushis, later on alwars, acharyas of ramanujar and later on it was formatted in the from of sAthumurai & stipulated by Sri ramanujar himself and implemented stricltly with no ambiguity from the time immemorial. The very essential rituals and sevas for the god are as important as the other sevas for the public. One will not go, erase or substitute for other. It goes without saying. SAtmurai seva is the gods given right to the righteous vaishanavaites of those 74 simhasanAthipathis (tholappachariars) and other vaishnava stotriya bhaktasas in the order offering the prescribed muRai as revealed by our bhaktar tiruman p.b.anand and v.sadagopan. this age old vaishnava divya seva should be scrupulously implemented by the jeeyers concerned without any bias as the staunch followers of sri ramanujar, preachers of the vaishnavism and the servants of lord concerned duely respected and honoured by devastanams. our holy jeeyars must see that this spiritual seva be continued undiluted. they should justify, convince or fight out to restore the normalacy of this essential seva untouched by the administrators of the tirumala temples. they should see not to meddle this holy religious sAthumarai at any cost superceding the vaishanava sampradhayam and rituals of the temple. Our present maTathipathis,Jeeyars are the true representatives of sri ramanujar and the present pillars of the vaishnavism. Let us all unite, lay prostrate before them, submit our grievences to see that they realise the gravity of the situation,exercise their powers and come forward to see that all these divya sevas be implemented properly. May god bless us and convince the present administrators of ttd, to implement all these sacred sevas efficiently with no bar as prescribed by sri ramanujar. we have nothing to do with the devastham archakas as they become servants of ttd.administration. The authorities or any one have no rights to impinge on the freedom of religion and customs of temple sevas and compelling the vaishnava community to do away with their temple rights and their customs concerned upsetting the vaishnava cult. Before I close this letter, let me tell two instances i experienced during my younger days. I used to make frequent visits to tirumala by walk with my cousin late v.g.k. chari (vinjamuri gopala krishnamachari), the staunch devotee of lord venketeswara, famous lyricist who submitted 108 lyrics to the lord during his rigorous septamasa vrata yatra to tirumalai. Whenever we waited for the entrance of SattumurRai, i used to see all the baracades were removed inside, and the bhaktas used to wait for the arrival of h.h. periya jeeyar/chinna jeeyar or his representative ekangi or sisya of the matt. As soon as he comes, the new comers used to introduce themselves by telling ids one by one, or get permission from jeeyangar earlier and obey to join in the line in the order of priority followed - those learned stotrias belonging to the 74 simhasanathipathis stand first in the order,then other learned acharyas followed by other stotriya vaishnava bhaktas and brahmachari students of vedha patasala. He leads us in side the temple straight to the lord. bhaktas of the first category are permitted to go with him inside the holy padi near the god and other vaidikas etc sit out side the kulasekharan padi and follow the "sEvA sARRumuRaik Kramam" in our sampradayam, in praise of god for half an hour. Soon after the completion of sevakAlam we will be served shatari,tErtha prasadams(generally kadabam)on priority basis in line in presence of jeeyar swamy. No anachary will be seen any where due respects to jeeyangars and the stotriya vaishnavites, till our hh jeeyangars and acharyas leaves the place. only then barracades will be restored i being a poor ignorant pandit putra of the famous SaTamarsana tatachari family, used to be permitted inside only if i come within the restricted number of entrants and allowed to sit outside the padi and recite with them. There never used to be any deviation or ambiguity from the rigid system and the number of entrants were restricted to the maximum of 50 only. Now there is complete degradation of these essential divya ardhana sAttumurai seva since last decade or so and the things are moving astray with no strict supervision of the jeeyar swamy and the whole seva goes as a mere formality, and the bhaktas suffer as stooges before the anachari dictatorship, the so called temple authorities. such is the state of the present condition alarming all of us. I pray god to give us all the blessings and help us to overcome the present turmoil and regain respect and glory of the vishanavism and our acharyas. the jeeyangars must wakeup to the occassion and set it right The second interesting experience is the privilage given to acharya purushals of SaTamarsana gotrakaras at tirumalai, that is going on even to day with regard to prathama teertam. I know the most learned acharya purusha late sri tirumala kumara Gopalaswamy iyyengar, lecturer, Sanskrit dept., s.v.univ. tirupati, who used to go by elephant(devastanams) during early morning hours, fetch perumal tErtam from akash ganga at tirumala or from nrusimha tErtum at lower tirupati,get direct seva and prathama teertam by virtue of being strotriya SaTamarshana gotrakara of highly reputed religious scholar here. My wife, vijayalakshmi got the privilage of getting samasriyanam from him soon after my marriage, as my father was no more and my brother was away in usa. with this i remain. all errors if any are due to my ignorence and may please be forgiven srimaNarAyaNa chraNou saraNam PrapadhYe sreemathey NarayaNAya namaha adiyen jairam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Dear bhaktas, In response to sri venketesan's letter, permit me to write some of the known facts about sAttumuRai at tirumalai as one of the lords fundamental and holy sevas from the time the golla found the lord and reported to the raja. just like the golla and his tanians opens the temple and does first seva of the lord,an inherited formality practiced even to day, it is untenable to cancel or modify this essential vishistadwaita divyaradhana seva. the seva might be originally in the form of divayaraadhana seva instituted by devatas,rushis, later on alwars, acharyas of ramanujar and later on it was formatted in the from of sAthumurai & stipulated by Sri ramanujar himself and implemented stricltly with no ambiguity from the time immemorial. The very essential rituals and sevas for the god are as important as the other sevas for the public. One will not go, erase or substitute for other. It goes without saying. SAtmurai seva is the gods given right to the righteous vaishanavaites of those 74 simhasanAthipathis (tholappachariars) and other vaishnava stotriya bhaktasas in the order offering the prescribed muRai as revealed by our bhaktar tiruman p.b.anand and v.sadagopan. this age old vaishnava divya seva should be scrupulously implemented by the jeeyers concerned without any bias as the staunch followers of sri ramanujar, preachers of the vaishnavism and the servants of lord concerned duely respected and honoured by devastanams. our holy jeeyars must see that this spiritual seva be continued undiluted. they should justify, convince or fight out to restore the normalacy of this essential seva untouched by the administrators of the tirumala temples. they should see not to meddle this holy religious sAthumarai at any cost superceding the vaishanava sampradhayam and rituals of the temple. Our present maTathipathis,Jeeyars are the true representatives of sri ramanujar and the present pillars of the vaishnavism. Let us all unite, lay prostrate before them, submit our grievences to see that they realise the gravity of the situation,exercise their powers and come forward to see that all these divya sevas be implemented properly. May god bless us and convince the present administrators of ttd, to implement all these sacred sevas efficiently with no bar as prescribed by sri ramanujar. we have nothing to do with the devastham archakas as they become servants of ttd.administration. The authorities or any one have no rights to impinge on the freedom of religion and customs of temple sevas and compelling the vaishnava community to do away with their temple rights and their customs concerned upsetting the vaishnava cult. Before I close this letter, let me tell two instances i experienced during my younger days. I used to make frequent visits to tirumala by walk with my cousin late v.g.k. chari (vinjamuri gopala krishnamachari), the staunch devotee of lord venketeswara, famous lyricist who submitted 108 lyrics to the lord during his rigorous septamasa vrata yatra to tirumalai. Whenever we waited for the entrance of SattumurRai, i used to see all the baracades were removed inside, and the bhaktas used to wait for the arrival of h.h. periya jeeyar/chinna jeeyar or his representative ekangi or sisya of the matt. As soon as he comes, the new comers used to introduce themselves by telling ids one by one, or get permission from jeeyangar earlier and obey to join in the line in the order of priority followed - those learned stotrias belonging to the 74 simhasanathipathis stand first in the order,then other learned acharyas followed by other stotriya vaishnava bhaktas and brahmachari students of vedha patasala. He leads us in side the temple straight to the lord. bhaktas of the first category are permitted to go with him inside the holy padi near the god and other vaidikas etc sit out side the kulasekharan padi and follow the "sEvA sARRumuRaik Kramam" in our sampradayam, in praise of god for half an hour. Soon after the completion of sevakAlam we will be served shatari,tErtha prasadams(generally kadabam)on priority basis in line in presence of jeeyar swamy. No anachary will be seen any where due respects to jeeyangars and the stotriya vaishnavites, till our hh jeeyangars and acharyas leaves the place. only then barracades will be restored i being a poor ignorant pandit putra of the famous SaTamarsana tatachari family, used to be permitted inside only if i come within the restricted number of entrants and allowed to sit outside the padi and recite with them. There never used to be any deviation or ambiguity from the rigid system and the number of entrants were restricted to the maximum of 50 only. Now there is complete degradation of these essential divya ardhana sAttumurai seva since last decade or so and the things are moving astray with no strict supervision of the jeeyar swamy and the whole seva goes as a mere formality, and the bhaktas suffer as stooges before the anachari dictatorship, the so called temple authorities. such is the state of the present condition alarming all of us. I pray god to give us all the blessings and help us to overcome the present turmoil and regain respect and glory of the vishanavism and our acharyas. the jeeyangars must wakeup to the occassion and set it right The second interesting experience is the privilage given to acharya purushals of SaTamarsana gotrakaras at tirumalai, that is going on even to day with regard to prathama teertam. I know the most learned acharya purusha late sri tirumala kumara Gopalaswamy iyyengar, lecturer, Sanskrit dept., s.v.univ. tirupati, who used to go by elephant(devastanams) during early morning hours, fetch perumal tErtam from akash ganga at tirumala or from nrusimha tErtum at lower tirupati,get direct seva and prathama teertam by virtue of being strotriya SaTamarshana gotrakara of highly reputed religious scholar here. My wife, vijayalakshmi got the privilage of getting samasriyanam from him soon after my marriage, as my father was no more and my brother was away in usa. with this i remain. all errors if any are due to my ignorence and may please be forgiven srimaNarAyaNa chraNou saraNam PrapadhYe sreemathey NarayaNAya namaha adiyen jairam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Dear bhaktas, In response to sri venketesan's letter, permit me to write some of the known facts about sAttumuRai at tirumalai as one of the lords fundamental and holy sevas from the time the golla found the lord and reported to the raja. just like the golla and his tanians opens the temple and does first seva of the lord,an inherited formality practiced even to day, it is untenable to cancel or modify this essential vishistadwaita divyaradhana seva. the seva might be originally in the form of divayaraadhana seva instituted by devatas,rushis, later on alwars, acharyas of ramanujar and later on it was formatted in the from of sAthumurai & stipulated by Sri ramanujar himself and implemented stricltly with no ambiguity from the time immemorial. The very essential rituals and sevas for the god are as important as the other sevas for the public. One will not go, erase or substitute for other. It goes without saying. SAtmurai seva is the gods given right to the righteous vaishanavaites of those 74 simhasanAthipathis (tholappachariars) and other vaishnava stotriya bhaktasas in the order offering the prescribed muRai as revealed by our bhaktar tiruman p.b.anand and v.sadagopan. this age old vaishnava divya seva should be scrupulously implemented by the jeeyers concerned without any bias as the staunch followers of sri ramanujar, preachers of the vaishnavism and the servants of lord concerned duely respected and honoured by devastanams. our holy jeeyars must see that this spiritual seva be continued undiluted. they should justify, convince or fight out to restore the normalacy of this essential seva untouched by the administrators of the tirumala temples. they should see not to meddle this holy religious sAthumarai at any cost superceding the vaishanava sampradhayam and rituals of the temple. Our present maTathipathis,Jeeyars are the true representatives of sri ramanujar and the present pillars of the vaishnavism. Let us all unite, lay prostrate before them, submit our grievences to see that they realise the gravity of the situation,exercise their powers and come forward to see that all these divya sevas be implemented properly. May god bless us and convince the present administrators of ttd, to implement all these sacred sevas efficiently with no bar as prescribed by sri ramanujar. we have nothing to do with the devastham archakas as they become servants of ttd.administration. The authorities or any one have no rights to impinge on the freedom of religion and customs of temple sevas and compelling the vaishnava community to do away with their temple rights and their customs concerned upsetting the vaishnava cult. Before I close this letter, let me tell two instances i experienced during my younger days. I used to make frequent visits to tirumala by walk with my cousin late v.g.k. chari (vinjamuri gopala krishnamachari), the staunch devotee of lord venketeswara, famous lyricist who submitted 108 lyrics to the lord during his rigorous septamasa vrata yatra to tirumalai. Whenever we waited for the entrance of SattumurRai, i used to see all the baracades were removed inside, and the bhaktas used to wait for the arrival of h.h. periya jeeyar/chinna jeeyar or his representative ekangi or sisya of the matt. As soon as he comes, the new comers used to introduce themselves by telling ids one by one, or get permission from jeeyangar earlier and obey to join in the line in the order of priority followed - those learned stotrias belonging to the 74 simhasanathipathis stand first in the order,then other learned acharyas followed by other stotriya vaishnava bhaktas and brahmachari students of vedha patasala. He leads us in side the temple straight to the lord. bhaktas of the first category are permitted to go with him inside the holy padi near the god and other vaidikas etc sit out side the kulasekharan padi and follow the "sEvA sARRumuRaik Kramam" in our sampradayam, in praise of god for half an hour. Soon after the completion of sevakAlam we will be served shatari,tErtha prasadams(generally kadabam)on priority basis in line in presence of jeeyar swamy. No anachary will be seen any where due respects to jeeyangars and the stotriya vaishnavites, till our hh jeeyangars and acharyas leaves the place. only then barracades will be restored i being a poor ignorant pandit putra of the famous SaTamarsana tatachari family, used to be permitted inside only if i come within the restricted number of entrants and allowed to sit outside the padi and recite with them. There never used to be any deviation or ambiguity from the rigid system and the number of entrants were restricted to the maximum of 50 only. Now there is complete degradation of these essential divya ardhana sAttumurai seva since last decade or so and the things are moving astray with no strict supervision of the jeeyar swamy and the whole seva goes as a mere formality, and the bhaktas suffer as stooges before the anachari dictatorship, the so called temple authorities. such is the state of the present condition alarming all of us. I pray god to give us all the blessings and help us to overcome the present turmoil and regain respect and glory of the vishanavism and our acharyas. the jeeyangars must wakeup to the occassion and set it right The second interesting experience is the privilage given to acharya purushals of SaTamarsana gotrakaras at tirumalai, that is going on even to day with regard to prathama teertam. I know the most learned acharya purusha late sri tirumala kumara Gopalaswamy iyyengar, lecturer, Sanskrit dept., s.v.univ. tirupati, who used to go by elephant(devastanams) during early morning hours, fetch perumal tErtam from akash ganga at tirumala or from nrusimha tErtum at lower tirupati,get direct seva and prathama teertam by virtue of being strotriya SaTamarshana gotrakara of highly reputed religious scholar here. My wife, vijayalakshmi got the privilage of getting samasriyanam from him soon after my marriage, as my father was no more and my brother was away in usa. with this i remain. all errors if any are due to my ignorence and may please be forgiven srimaNarAyaNa chraNou saraNam PrapadhYe sreemathey NarayaNAya namaha adiyen jairam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ © 1998-2001 USA.NET®, Inc. All Rights Reserved. U.S. Patent # 5,937,161. Users of this site agree to be bound by USA.NET Net@ddress® Subscriber Agreement. USA.NET adheres to a strict Privacy Policy to protect our customers. Dear bhaktas, In response to sri venketesan's letter, permit me to write some of the known facts about sAttumuRai at tirumalai as one of the lords fundamental and holy sevas from the time the golla found the lord and reported to the raja. just like the golla and his tanians opens the temple and does first seva of the lord,an inherited formality practiced even to day, it is untenable to cancel or modify this essential vishistadwaita divyaradhana seva. the seva might be originally in the form of divayaraadhana seva instituted by devatas,rushis, later on alwars, acharyas of ramanujar and later on it was formatted in the from of sAthumurai & stipulated by Sri ramanujar himself and implemented stricltly with no ambiguity from the time immemorial. The very essential rituals and sevas for the god are as important as the other sevas for the public. One will not go, erase or substitute for other. It goes without saying. SAtmurai seva is the gods given right to the righteous vaishanavaites of those 74 simhasanAthipathis (tholappachariars) and other vaishnava stotriya bhaktasas in the order offering the prescribed muRai as revealed by our bhaktar tiruman p.b.anand and v.sadagopan. this age old vaishnava divya seva should be scrupulously implemented by the jeeyers concern © 1998-2001 USA.NET®, Inc. All Rights Reserved. U.S. Patent # 5,937,161. Users of this site agree to be bound by USA.NET Net@ddress® Subscriber Agreement. USA.NET adheres to a strict Privacy Policy to protect our customers. © 1998-2001 USA.NET®, Inc. All Rights Reserved. U.S. Patent # 5,937,161. Users of this site agree to be bound by USA.NET Net@ddress® Subscriber Agreement. 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