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jiiva-jiiva bhinnatvam

From: K. Sadananda (
Date: Mon May 21 2001 - 04:59:22 PDT

>Sri Sadagopan, thanks for your work.  Let everyone in the list take an
>active role.    I don't know why
this is so true that just by reading books, we cannot understand truth.

I cannot echo enough  Krishana Kashyap's sentiments and statements. 
Study under Acharya-s is very important in understanding the truth. 
Right now I am experiencing the same problem in trying to understand 
the concepts of VishishhTadvaita by reading the books.   I am getting 
stuck at many places and need help from the learned members.

There was a question of how does one jiiva  know another jiiva in 
Moksha.  I read the description that jiiva as aNupramaanaat or size 
of aNu and sat and j~naana swarupa.  But all jiiva-s are of the same 
type and what makes one different from others and are there tara tama 
bbeda-s among them and on what basis these bheda-s are established- 
At least in this leeal vibhuuti, the upaadhi-s are different that 
includes the sthuula and suukshama shariira-s based ones prarabda 
karam-s.  But all these karma-s are all got burned and no karmaphala 
to dictate the differences in upaadhi-s- through which one can 
distinguish one another as in this leela vibhuuti.

Fundamental question is what exactly Bhagavaan Ramanuja imply in 
terms of jiiva jiiva bhinnatvam and on what  basis for  these 
bhinnatvam established and how are they recognized - that is, does 
one need upaadhi-s to recognize the other jiiva-s and on what basis 
these upaadhi-s are provided since sanchita and prarabda karma-s are 
all nullified in moksha.  Or does jiiva recognize only paramaatma due 
to sesha-sheshii bhaava and but not other jiiva-s.

Any thoughts on these by Great achaarya-s?

Hari Om1

K. Sadananda
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