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karma and the Lords role..
Date: Fri May 26 2000 - 05:20:46 PDT

Dear Chandrashekaran and respected Vaisnavas,

In regard to the below question about cyclical karma and the Lords role, 
there is a relevant story in the Bhagavat Purana regarding King Nirga.

King Nirga was the most pious King who was famous for his generosity, 
specifically in gifts of cows to the Brahmanas in such large numbers that 
defy our present day sense of space and what the Bhumi can bare. 

In any case on one occasion while giving out a large number of cows to 
various Brahmanas, one cow offered to one Brahmana happened to wander into 
the group of another Brahmana an argument ensued regarding who was the 
rightful owner. 

By no fault of his own, King Nirga was accused of giving away in charity that 
which was already the property of another Brahmana. The king offered to 
resolve the issue by offering 10,000 cows for the one cow to the offended 
Brahmana, but the Brahmana would not accept and cursed the King to take birth 
as a lizard.
Later on when Sri Krishna's grand children were playing, they saw a lizard in 
a well (different story in from ball retrieved by Dronacharya in MB) they 
asked Krishna to help get it out. Krishna pulled the lizard from the well, 
whereupon the King regained his spiritual form and was instructed that even 
the most pious soul is forced to transmigrate in the samsara due to even the 
slightest error. 

Sri Krishna states in Srimad Bhagavad Gita, 18.65

"sarva dharman prityajya mam ekam saranam vraja aham tvam sarva papebhyo 
moksayisyami yami ma sucah"
Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver 
you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.

So the real path to moksa freedom is by making all our offerings to the Lord 
and letting Him who is the controller of Karma remove our karmic shackles, 
which are most complex due to limitless actions and reactions from the past.

In regard to Krishna being shot in the heal as somehow a reaction for 
shooting Vali in Rama lila.
Again in Srimad BG. 7.13 & 14 Krishna asserts His being above (the karma 
controlling) modes of nature with His remedy to cross beyond the karma 

When Krishna appeared He was often acting as an ordinary man which was most 
bewildering to His non Bhaktas. He gracefully accepted the curse of Gandhari 
that His whole dynasty of the Yadhus would be finished as her one hundred 
sons all died and Gandhari knowing Krishna to be God said you are ultimately 
to blame for their death. Krishna agreed but added that they had to die to 
establish dharma. And the Yadhus also had to die as they had become arrogant 
of their power and Krishna's Lila was coming to a close.

So Krishna / Rama is never under the laws of karma, but His being the 
controllers of karma He can appear to act within its limits at the same time 
He is always the Controller of karma and beyond it. That is His 
transcendental Lila and instruction for us. If we are to free ourselves from 
the endless karmic cycle we must take shelter of Sri Rama / Sri Krishna Whom 
is eternal free.

This Lila was from my memory so there might be some discrepancy from the 
Excuse me for barging in, I liked the topic and just thought this might be of 
some interest to all your good pious selves.

das anudasa,

 >>This whole game 
is cause and effect phenomenon.The only way to get out of this
cycle is to avoid commiting sins as much as possible to our 
knowledge in the present life term.The kind of story you have 
written is also found in Mahabharath where Lord Krishna is 
getting killed by a hunter(who actually was Vali in Ramayana).
Hence,to my knowledge every living Being,including the Lord has
to undergo this cycle.
Thanks for taking time to read my expalanation,

If there is any mistake,please let me know,that I can correct it

Chandrashekaran Venkataraman>>

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