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Re: Advaitham,Theology of vedas,Smartas,vaishanavas,Sri vaishnavas

From: Krishna Kalale (kkalale_at_qualcomm.com)
Date: Sat Jun 13 1998 - 09:30:01 PDT

At 10:53 AM 6/13/98 -0500, venkat wrote:
> My "aneka koti prmanas to all sri vaishnavas again"
> 
> The correct translation of the term visishtadhvaitham in english is "pan
orgal 
>monism"
> 
>the term visishtadhvaitham is derived(i donot have a basic knowledge of
sanskrit 
>though) like this visisthasya + advaitham = visistadhvaitham.
>
>  so are we adhvaithins then?? yes we are 'cos according to shruthis one who 
>appreciates difference will never get moksha and he'll always be on samsara 
>cycle.
>  
>  so the real purport of shruthis  is "adhvaitham" and now we call ourselves 
>"visishtadhvaithins" so how are we going to justify??
>  
>  yes of course the purport of shruthis is advaitham not dvaitham. is it
pure 
>pure advaitham as shri adhi shankara says?? no it is not our we are
adhvaithins 
>basically with the adjective visithasya.. 
>  
>  what shri adhi shankara (as we all know ) talks is nirvisesha advaitham
and 
>what shri bashyakara talks about is savisesha advaitham not pure advaitham
(pure 
>pure consciousness , jeeva bramha identity and iykiyam as shri adhishankara 
>says)
> 
> our dharshanam followed as per the sayings of dheva perumal(shri
athigirinathan 
>perarulalan varadharajan)  "dharshanam bedha evacha" is bedha dharshanam.
> 
>  yes it is dvaitham  but not as per dvaithins (or dualists). 
> 
> what shri anandha theertha talks about is something non dependency of
souls and 
>bramhan and shri bashyakara talks  about  is dependency...


SRI ANANDA TIRTHA DOES ACCEPT DEPENDENCY OF SOULS. VISHNU IS ONLY
INDEPENDENT; ALL ELSE IS DEPENDENT ACCORDING TO HIS DOCTRINE.  FURTHER, IT
IS THE SARIRA-SARIRI BHAVA & JAGAT ABHINNA NIMITTA UPADANA KARANA &
PRAPATTI AS AS LAGHU-UPAYA WHICH HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH (THERE ARE OTHER
DIFFERENCES,... WHICH I HAVE AVOIDED FOR BREVITY)

ADIYEN KRISHNA


>  how do we justify the above???
>  
>  it is like light and luminousity they are different concepts but there
exists 
>a permenant relation which can never be negated and they are cognised
together 
>always..(this is a vague comparison though)
>  
>  it is the sarira athma bhavam prakara prakari bhavam etc...
>  
>  the term sarira again needs a very big explanation as the other
vedhanthins 
>say that it has dhoshas...(fallacy) which will come as a seperate mesg..
>  
>  to simply say it is the body soul relation ship which is our "pradhana 
>prathithanthram" that which is not found in other schools of thought...
>  
>  and i request other shrivaishnavaites to give more inputs and
clarifications 
>mean while to the list...
>  
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>  theology.... smarthas....sri vaishnavas
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>  if any one calls himself as vedanthin he can never refute "narayana's" 
>supremecy for it is very obvious and crystal clear.. so the vedas if at
all we 
>say that it talks about any religion it is vaishnavism and all those who
call 
>themselves as "vedhanthins" is none but vaishnavas..
>  
>  remember no vedanthin argues on supremecy of "shri narayana" but they
argue 
>only on whether it is  dvaitham/advaitham. 
>  
>   and ofcourse as emphatically and irrefutably (and the same strengthened
by 
>thoopal kulamani swami desika) it is "visisttadhwaitham" which balances
both...
> 
>  one who follows shruthis and smrithis is called a smartha as we all follow 
>shruthis and smrithis we are smarthas too.
>  
>  and now what is the diff between vaishnavaite and shri vaishnavite??
>  
>  the verse in purusha suktha identifies narayana like this
>  
>  "hrischathe laksmischapthnuyo" so the concept of shri finds an importnat
place 
>in our "sampradhayam".
>  
>  and our's is bramadhvaitham....
>  
>   just a minute just a minute dont the shruthis talk about only one 
>paramathma??? 
>
>  yes sir!!!! accepted.
>  
>   it is not two entirely  altogether different brahmans we are talking
about 
>... we are talking about the status as shri who participates in each thing
like 
>srishti stithi smaharam etc...along with narayana...
>  
> so they are inseperable ...... 
> 
>   she is always seen with him all the avartharas (para,vyuha,archa,vibhava
>   antharyami)
>  
>   and for whatever the state of shri is in shrivaishnavism it is somehow 
>accepted unanimously by all shrivaishnavaites ( unlike other
vaishnavaites) the 
>importance of shri....
>   
>   ( for more details and arguments which are very complicated and  which
doesnt 
>seem to end at all i shall try and give the gist of this concept of shri)
>   
>  and again i reqest all the srivaishnavas in the list to give more
details and 
>clarifications mean while
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>   venkataraghavadhasan
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