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Re: Digest bhakti.v002.n586

From: venkat (
Date: Wed Jun 10 1998 - 12:34:26 PDT


Pranamas to all sri vaishnavas

      This message has two replies....
      regarding the message posed by Mr MK Krishnaswamy
      1)It is just we have to get the list of people who wish to recieve 
sanskrit lessons  directly.The list has to be maintained by few srivaishnavas  
and each one will have some of the members of the list who would recieve the 
lessons.So it would be better that if few Sri vaishnavas can voulenteer and we 
can group the mail addresses and allot each Srivaishanava a particular group.
      The lessons will be sent to these  Srivaishnavas and they would inturn 
forward them to the members in the list that they maintain.
      it makes the job all the more easier if we follow this .
      It would take some time for us to compose the lessons in the font software 
that was mentioned as we have to download ,feed etc...and we should also see to 
that all the members have the font software mentioned.

We also wish to add english and tamil fonts in that software so that we can 
provide a tamil/english explanation for sanskrit irequest ure valuble 
suggestions on this.
  2) The questions posed by Mr Balaram M Sriram
  a)"ANTHIMASAMARANA" is what it is called as in our "SHASTRAS".It is explicitly 
stated in few places that "ANTHIMASMARANA" is what that decides about the soul's 
position after it departs(the person dies) from the body.
  But I have been given to understand  and remember having read that for 
"PRAPANNAS" "Anthimasmarana" is not necessary and it is also very difficult.
  I shall get the "Pramanas" for it as early as possible.
   I presume Mr balaram m sriram knows the meaning of "anthimassmarana" and 
     b) the states can be divided into two categories 1) "ATHMA ANUBHAVA" which 
is called as "KAIVALYA" here the "jeevathma" enjoys(experiences) itself and it 
is not the ultimate "moksha".It is a sort of moksha in the sense that the soul 
does not get back to the "prakruthi mandala" that is in to the emperical world.

forgive me if there had been any mistakes in translitration) is always next to 
the "PARAMATHMA" enjoys "PARAMATHMA" by serving him.He attains everything 
equivalent to "paramathma" in appearence (form) by having a "APRAKRUTHA 
SARIRAM"(transedental body "SUDHA SATVA" body) etc.
   But "paramathma" retains "SRIYAPATHITHVAM,SRISHTI,STHITHI,SAMHARAM" with him 
and so the "jeevathma" is still different from "PARAMATHMA".
   again this II category we have "salokyam"-residing somewhere in the 
transcedental world of paramathma,"sarupyam"-To have the simillar form as the 
"paramathma"(with conch,disc etc),"samipyam"-Always being next to "paramathma"
   and "sayujyam" enjoying eternal bliss with "paramathma".
   of all the above "sayujyam" is the ultimate "moksha" as the soul does 
"kainkarya" and enjoys eternal bliss.
   It is also to be noted that there is a dispute that goes still on wheteher 
   "paramathma" includes "SHRI" or it just refers to "NARAYANA".this concept of 
"SHRI" is the main dispute between the "vadagalai"(northern school) and the 
"thengalai"(southern school) APART FROM MANY OTHERS.
   C) the "sthala purana"will tell the significannce of "swarga vaasal". here 
"swarga" i feel has to be taken as the "swarga" in the "prakrthi mandala" (ie 
outside the releams of transcedental universe)
   so the soul afer enjoying all it was allowed to comes back takes another 
birth.The "swarga" that is supposedly to be attained after the soul departs is 
not "moksha" the soul is still in the cycle of "karmas".

it is not "shri vaikuntha"/"paramapadham" (which are referred to "swargas" at 
few places in "shruthis") and the act of entrance bestows the person the "indra 
loga"/"swarga" experince.  This is my humble opinion.