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From: Ram Gopalaswamy (gopalram_at_erols.com)
Date: Sat Jul 11 1998 - 23:21:55 PDT
Mani Varadarajan <firstname.lastname@example.org> replies: > Ram Gopalaswamy <email@example.com> asks: > > > > - Are zriimad askTaaksharam, and zriimad dvayam eternal mantras (ie. zruti) ? > > or are they revealed by an avataara of Bhagavan from time to time > > as necessary (ie. smrti) ? > > > > Vedanta Desika covers these topics in Srimad Rahasya Traya Saaram. > According to Desika, the ashTaakshara mantra is a Vedic mantra, > and is found in the nArAyaNa upanishad, among other places. It can > become a tantric, i.e., Veda-inspired but not _from_ the Vedas, with > slight modifications, as discussed in a separate thread earlier. > > The dvaya mantra is a tAntrika mantra that is alluded to in the Vedas. > Reference to it is made in a now-lost section of the Vedas known as > "kaTha Sruti". > > I do not know whether this makes it technically "smRti". > > > Are the rshi-s avataara of zriiman-naaraayaNa for the purpose of > > revealing mantras or are they svayam zriiman-naaraayaNa Himself ? > > I don't understand the distinction between the two. Could you elaborate? > > Mani > > Dear Sri.Mani, Thanks for the information. Please excuse my vague writing. I meant to ask: Who are the naaraayaNa rshis ? a. saakshaat vibhava avataara or b. some kind of aaveza avataara. Sri SM Srinivasa Chari talks about different types of vibhava avataara in his book, "Vaishnavism" . My understanding from the book: - saakshaat avataara or direct descent of zriiman-naaraayaNa with His Absolute Transcendental Form (divya-mangala-vigraha) looking outwardly like a living entity. [ The Supreme Lord descends with His pure internal potency (suddha satva) and He is _unaffected_ (avyayam) by the three modes of material nature.] Example: zrii KrshNa, zrii nrsmha, zrii varaaha, zrii Raama etc [ My guess is that zriimad bhagavad-giita, is revered as smrti-prasthaana (ie foremost of authored works) because it was spoken the saakshaat avataara, zrii KrshNa. ] - aaveza avataara or divine empowerment of devotees. Different types of aaveza include: a. Pervasion of spiritual divine body of the Lord into the body of an individual (eg. Parazu-raama avataara.) b. Infusion of divine power into an individual (zaktyaaveza) (eg Sage Sri Vyaasadeva) 39 vibhava avataaras mentioned in the ahirbudhnya samhita include (nara and ) naaraayaNa as avataaras. .Ram. PS: BTW, is the title "rshi" reserved exclusively for sages to whom vedas were revealed ?