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RE: social justice

From: Krishna Kashyap (kkalale1_at_san.rr.com)
Date: Sun Jan 20 2002 - 20:58:56 PST

The cow analogy fits in karma theory. there is nothing wrong. God also fits
into karma theory. he is karmadhyaksha or the governor of the process of
rewards as per karma. the issues sri prabhu has indicated : are all in the
general karma theory : the sanchita, agaami, prarabhdha ( anabhyupagata
prarabhdha and abhupagatha prarabhdha) ... ie. accrued in past, future,
enforced already and that will be enforced in future which cannot be
changed.  karma theory is quite exhaustive and probably needs a larger
email. when I get a chance I will write it.  the tied cow analogy only
indicates the limit of our capacity.

god does have a role. He is just and does not favour any one who is
undeserving. However, due to the grace of God karmas can be reduced or
eliminated. the evoking of grace can happen due to meditation or vidya or
surrender. if karmas cannot be influenced or modified by God there is no
question of moksha or salvation.

regards,

Krishna

-----Original Message-----
From: g_prabhu_srinivas [mailto:g_prabhu_srinivas@yahoo.co.in]
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 12:31 PM
To: bhakti-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: social justice


--- In bhakti-list@y..., "Krishna Kashyap" <kkalale1@s...> wrote:

>karma theory means freedom which is given by God and is dependent on
>God. how can freedom be dependent?. It is like a cow tied to a
>pillar with a very long rope. the cow has freedom to move around
>within the radius equal to or less than the length of the rope, but
>constrained when it wants to go beyond the radius. Like that a soul
>has freedom to move about but restricted in certain ways.

the tied-cow explanation is due to sri ramakrishna. but if one were
to believe that the world is governed by laws of causation (as the
original poster had supposed to be the theory of karma), one has to
rule out any external agency - including god - having the ability to
govern our fate. consequently, this was the impetus that buddhism and
jainism needed to bring the concept of atheism, fatalism and the non-
existence of the hindu trinity. in my humble opinion, this is a very
wrong way of looking at the theory of karma.

karma consists of three parts - one accounting for our initial state
(which is irrevocable - which is commonly referred to as "fate"),
another accounting for our past (which can be eradicated by prayers),
and the last part accounting for our future actions (which is
completely in our hands and is in no way related to "fate"). this
last part of karma is the exercise of our free will and proves that
it is god and not "fate" that is omni-potent.

regards,
prabhu.





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