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Re: Murugan and thirumangai aazhvaar

From: Parthasarati Dileepan (MFPD_at_UTCVM.UTC.EDU)
Date: Thu Dec 28 1995 - 12:19:01 PST

On Thu, 28 Dec 1995 11:51:41 -0500 K Srinivasan said:
>Murugan is a celestial person and gets married the daughter of a tribal chief.
>thirumangai is a tribal chief and gets married to a celestial person.
>Could they have been the same person?

   Assuming that you are not talking of Murgan reincarnating
   as Thirumangai, and that you are willing to accept dates
   accepted by scholars, religeous and otherwise, we can
   say that the answer to the question is NO.  Murugan is
   characterized as an independent diety in paripaadal centuries
   before Thirumangai mannan's time.

   The naayanmaar that Varadhan mentions is Thirungyanasambandhar.
   It seems this incidence is of questionable validity.  Why
   the aazhvaar is portrayed with a vEl and not a vaaL as in
   "vaaL valiyaal mandhirangoL," I would like to know.

   Civavaakiyar for Thirumazhisai is mentioned only in LIFCO.
   The life story of this aazhvaar appeared in Sri N. Priya
   sometime back.  While it contained many details, did not
   mention anything about Civavaakyar.  The introduction to
   4000 in etext perhaps needs a rewrite.

   It looks like the paasuram Badri quoted is quite difficult to
   decipher.  The only commentary I have of TCV simply
   skipped this paasuram asking the reader to approach
   knowledgeable people and understand!  I am trying to get more
   information, if I get it I shall post.  BTW, TCV is full
   of such intricate paasurams where aazhvaar plays with

   The next aazhvaar thirunakshathram is that of Thirumazhisai
   MazhisaivandhajOthi,  thai magam, sometime in February 96.

-- Dileepan