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Re: [Re: Maayanai Mannu Vada Mathurai.... ]

From: M.S.HARI Madabhushi Sarangarajan Hari (mshari_at_usa.net)
Date: Thu Dec 21 2000 - 23:46:04 PST

Dear Members,
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Mani Varadarajan <mani@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
(a) The normal order of events during mArgazhi mAsam
    is FIRST the usha: kAla visesha ArAdhana, including
    tiruppAvai recital and only then the prAta: sandhyA.
    The reason for this is that the visesha ArAdhana 
    is done before sunrise, so it belongs before the sandhyA
    (clarified by Srimat Poundarikapuram Andavan Swami).
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The order (kramam) which SrI Mani Varadarajan has mentioned
is the correct order as far as dhanur-mAsa-ArAdhanam is 
concerned. This order was followed implicitly; I had performed
a laghu-ArAdhanam in usha: kAlam before I took (ezhundaruLa 
seidal) bhagavath sAligrAga-mUrthy to the upanyAsam venue. This
kramam was also told by me to audience before upanyAsam.

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Mani Varadarajan <mani@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
(b) The criticism of the Ganga river sounds rather harsh.
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      bhavAnga-patitam toyam pavitram iti paspRSuH |
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    Perhaps it is 'na hi nindA stuti', but still a little
    bit troublesome.
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"na hi nindA nindyam nindithum  pravarthahE, api thu 
stuthyam sthOthum"

The anuditha-hOma-nindA-nyAyam may also be considered here.
But still, AlwAr himself has given importance to river kAveri
and has called it superior in purity. This shows that there
has been stuthi for a river which is superior to river gangA in
an aspect. There are rivers superior to river gangA in one or
other aspect. But river ganga is anyway regarded and not disrespected.
Also, the nUpura-ganga (at Tiru-mAl-irun-chOlai, kaL-Azhagar
sannadhi) is told as "paSupathi jatA-sparsha-sUnyA" by our
swAmi. The gangA is called as tri-srOtha. At Tiru-mAl-irun-chOlai, 
a dhAra (stream) of gangA came to the world from Bhagavath 
Trivikrama's nUpuram. This dhAra of gangA is free from the sambandam 
of paSupathi jatA sparsham and thus distinguished from the
known river gangA. The dEvathAntara-sambanda-varjanam is
the distinguishing feature of this nUpura-ganga, which is
held as a special viSEshaNam for nUpura-gangA here.
These points may be noted here in this context. This is to
substantiate that dEvathAntara-sambanda-varjanam is a purity
for SrI VaishNavas. That is, SrI VaishNavas should NOT have
dEvathAntara-sambandam.

Also, the well-known river gangA is celebrated in the
SAstra only because it is having Trivikrama-tiru-vadi sambandam.
(Ref. NAn mukan tiruvandAdi - Tirumalizai Alwar - "kurai koNda
nAnmukan kundikai neer paidu... karai koNda kaNdaththAn chenni
mEl ErakkazhuvinAn...). PArvathi pathi is "Aaru sadai karandAn"
who took the gangA in his jatA for getting his sins removed
and thus became celebrated as "gangA-dhara" and "Siva".
But yamuna has krishNa's full tiru-mEni sambandam. It has been
a witness for all the krishNa-divya-leelas.

Thanks & Regards
M.S.HARI rAmAnuja dAsan (mshari@usa.net)

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