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From: Krishna Kalale (kkalale1_at_san.rr.com)
Date: Wed Aug 04 1999 - 09:37:11 PDT
********* *********** ************ [Krishna Kalale] Here are adiyen's responses to a few of the statements indicated in your note: Sri Sudarshan Madabushi wrote: (1) Sri Sridhar Srinivasan wrote: "In fact, the charama slOkam allows you the luxury of relinquishing all dharmas and attendant karmas and pursue Him as the ultimate dharma." Sri.Sridhar, have you carefully watched an expert pole-vaulter? ............ [Krishna Kalale] stuff deleted for brevity... Sri Sudarshan Madabushi's views continued: If you are a true "spiritual-athlete" you won't let go off the "pole" of "dharmA/nitya-karma" until you have attained, like the professional pole-vaulter, a certain "critical mass, force and speed" along the journey of your spiritual quest. You hold on steadfastly to your "dharmA" right until the moment you are in sight of your "goal" and are reasonably sure you will sail over it successfully. You let go off the "pole" ("sarva-dharmAm parithyaja?" of the B-G "charama-shlOka") only when you are ready for it? not a moment too soon? not a moment too late? Next time when you talk of the "charama-shlOka", you should give the pole-vault analogy a serious thought. Who knows, you will never again misunderstand its true meaning. ********* ********* *********** [Krishna Kalale] Adiyen's views : [Krishna Kalale] Both the views presented above regarding charama sloka are actually views of "ADVAITA" and is not supported by Visistadvaita. View (1) above which suggests total relinquishing of dharmas (karmas) is clearly advaitic. Visistadvaita subscribes to the view that one should only leave the karma-phala or fruits of karmas and kartrtva ie. not consider that the he/performer is the agent of the karma. Please note that I did not get the original email of Sri Sridhar Srinivasan. this comment is only based on how Sri Sudarshan has quoted Sri Sridhar Srinivasan. Visistadvaita does not subscribe for karma-svarupa tyaga or total relinquishing of the activities themselves. Even the view 2 - is sort of advaitic. Visistadvaita has a slight twist to the view indicated here. According to visistadvaita even till the last breath of his life for a yogi, karma should not be relinquished. The type of karmas which are part of karmayoga can be relinquished when a person gets atmasakshatkara or self realization. This view is indicated in the verse : of 6th chapter arurukshoh muner yogam karma karanam ucchyate yogarudasya tasyaiva shamah karanam uchyate translation: ie. for one who is yet seeking to aschend to Yoga, karmayoga is the right path and for one who is already established in yoga, the cessation of activity is appropriate. In other words all who seek self realization in the sense of attainmnet of a perfect immediate understanding of the nature of the self must adopt the way of activity. This verse only refers to karmayoga not "agnihotra and nitya naimittika karmas". ****** important conclusion below******** One should clearly bear in mind that in visistadvaita nitya naimittika karma (sandhyavandana etc.) is not included within karmayoga!!. In fact, in our HH Azagia singar's analogy, Karmayoga is like OT (over time) and nityakarma is like duty. One cannot say he will do only OT and avoid duty. Hence, nitya naimittika karma have to be performed as long as one lives. Note that one who is already attained self realization, will not engage only in the activities that lead to self realization. On the otherhand he can definitely engage in any "kainkaryam" type of activities. In fact that person will dedicate his actions in the area of bhaktiyoga which also needs daily performance of nityakarma. According to our great preceptor Yamunacharya - tribiranyonya sangamah, meaning - regarding these paths karmayoga, jnanayoga and bhaktiyoga, each one of them has an an element of the other two yogas. Hence there is no pure bhaktiyoga without an element of karmayoga and jnanayoga accompanying it. In short, nitya naimittika karma is not included in karmayoga and nitya naimittika karma (sandhyavandana etc.) should never be relinquished even for a karmayogi or a jnani or bhaktiyogi till his last breath This is just to make the record straight as per visistadvaita, since there are so many views floating around regarding this subject.