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Re: Clarification Please....
Date: Tue Aug 28 2001 - 17:33:21 PDT

SrImathE Gopaladesika Mahadesikaya namah:
Dear Sri Badrinath,

You asked a very good question. Do not feel bad to ask questions. We do not
commit any apacharam by
asking our doubts, however silly they are.. That is very purpose of our
discussion. Only vidhaNdAvatham is not
to entertained:-)

You said it right..

1. One becomes Srivaishnavan when he undergoes samasrayaNam.. (or pancha
samskaram). Please read the beautiful article written by Sri Anand
Karalapakkam on SamasrayaNam ( in the web site

2. Birth: This is where the Lord's nirhEthuka krupa comes. To be born with
five sense organs; with discriminatory power, with intellect and born in a
family devoted to Lord Sriman Narayanan,  and also finally to think of Him
and Him alone.. This is very rare as there are 101 pitfalls on the way..

3. When one undergoes upanaynam, he becomes a brahimn; Thereafter he can
learn Vedas and saasthrAs;

Now- anyone from any varNa, can become a Srivaishnavan; (irresepctive of
caste, creed, colour or sex. We need to have ultmost respect for all
Srivaishnavas, whatever may be their birth. (without crossing the
varnAsrama dharmA too).

But one has to follow their respective varNAsrama dharmA (as far as
may be- we are confused. For example: One has to have respect for a fellow
Srivaishnavan even if he is not a brahmin. He has devotion for Sriman
Narayanan and Him alone. He has performed pancha samskaram like us; (but
not upanayanam because that is not called for in his birth and in his varNA
per saasthrAs).

We should not think low of him  at all; We should consdier him as any other
Bhagawathas.. Any apacharam committed towards him is also great BhAgawatha

BUT.. we should not say this and marry his daughter.. this is where
following our varNAsrama dharma per saasthrAs while having due respects
towards all Srivaishnavas.. comes in..

Hope I have not confounded the confusions.
Erudite scholars may add dollar vale to adiyEn's two cents' worth.
Narayana Narayana

Dear Bhagawadas,

  Please accept my humble greetings.

 I would request the learned members of this group to let me know the

Can he/she belong to Sri Vaishnava sampradaya by virtue of his/her birth
alone. If not so,
what are the qualities that are required to state he/she belongs to Sri
Vaishnava     sampradaya. For example getting Panchasamaskara by beloved
Acharyans etc qualifies he/she as a Sri Vaishnava.

 What part does birth place in this.

  If this topic has already been discussed I request the members to refer
to the appropriate archives.

 I would request the members to forgive me, if I have done any abacharam by
asking such  question.

Badinath. D

           - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH -
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