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Re: Re: Vinayaka Posed as Lord Krishna

From: VedAntam S. Ayyangar (vayyangar_at_hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Aug 27 2001 - 22:41:02 PDT 

Sri:
Dear Sri Venkat SwAmin & Srinath SwAmin,
AdiyEn also would wish that this information is false and some souls would 
not deviate from the 'path'. AdiyEn was equally pained by what AdiyEn had 
heard.

Please rest assured that AdiyEN's source of information had been a well 
meaning SAttvic Sri Vaishnava and not some 'unauthentic' and 'unbiased' 
source as Sri Mani would have us believe. Sri. Mani does not know the source 
and may not be in a postion to judge therefore. So his words that AdiyEn's 
words are "nonsense being propogated in Bhakti list"

(Being a moderator Sri Mani could have checked my background before calling 
this writeup a nonsense!

Being a moderator adiyEn expected a more moderate language than this!),

is being received by reciting Dwayam 108 times. (AdiyEn's practice when any 
Bhagavad & BhAgavata ApachAram is heard / seen. AdiyEn did the same when 
AdiyEn was unfortunate enough to hear the treatment meted out to our SwAmi).

AdiyEn would believe that due to AdiyEn's anAdi pApam and this being the 
last in AdiyEn's cycle, the karmA is taking effect as the balance sheet is 
being squared by HIM :o). So this tirade is welcome!

Besides information from such 'authenticate' and 'unbiased' sources, adiyEn 
had the misfortune (some 3 years ago) of hearing from the archaKa, at 
Desikan sannidhi 'first hand' that swAmi's sannidhi is under perpetual 
neglect and adiyEN could see it. Rumor! Now you can question this source 
also? Somehow adiyEn is unable to. Search me!

Now with such information and anumAnam adiyEn may be wrong to have
'accepted' another Sri Vaishanava's word for the treatment meted to my 
SwAmi. But having known the ubhaya kalais stoop to various lows, AdiyEn 
never once doubted the veracity of the bhAgavata's statement. If someone 
gets offended and reacts rather than makes amends, adiyEn is not 
responsible.

So there would not be any 'Forgive adiyEn if anyone's sensitivities are 
offended'! Au contraire. If someone is offended then this would be 
EmberumAn's Divya Anghyai to act and remedy the situation, not wish it away 
or 'do an ostrich'. AdiyEn fully welcomes DevarIr's suggestion to enquire 
into this.

And the message has been: Situations cannot be changed by condeming or using 
abusive language. All of us acknowledge / know implicitly the dwEsham that 
is going on between ubhaya kalais (between the uninitiated and uneducated, 
of course) and this could be changed only by prayers to the AchAryAs and the 
Divya Dhampatis. If that message has not been recvd because of the purported 
'nonsense', adiyEn's mail had failed to deliver!

DAsan
VedAntam SrinivAsarAghavan AyyangAr


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Purpose of life is transform your ability to experience living, so that the 
situation you have been 'trying to change' or have been 'putting up with' 
will clear in the process of life itself :o)


----Original Message Follows----
From: vinjamoorvenkat@indya.com
To: mani@alum.calberkeley.org,vayyangar@hotmail.com
CC: bhakti-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: Vinayaka Posed as Lord Krishna
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:50:11 +0900

Srimathe Ramanujaya namaha.

Well, I was going to right about this in the list, but I saw Shri
Mani's mail, which was exactly the same I would have written. This is
only a rumour. I don't want to repeat the logical question that Mani
asked, instead, if this were to be true, and being practised even
today, why is there no objection to this from anybody.

Please note such kind of false propaganda will only lead to a split
in the otherwise cohesive list where everybody enjoy
the "bhaktAmrutham".

Finally, I humbly request, Sri T.S. Sundararajan swamy and Sri
Krishmachariar swamy of "Sri Vaishnava Sri" fame, the Srirangam
sthalathArs, to verify and inform all of us about what was written by
Sri Vedantham. Nevertheless, if this is true, this dastardly act is
to be severely condemned by all irrespective of the kalai bedham and
see to that it does not take place again.

AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam

adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,
Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh


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From: Mani Varadarajan <mani@alum.calberkeley.org>
Sent: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:31:34 -0700
To: vayyangar@hotmail.com
CC: bhakti-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Vinayaka Posed as Lord Krishna


VedAntam S. Ayyangar writes:
 > A few so called 'vaishnavas' and 'iyengars' (here one is not
 > sure what five angams we refer to!), wear their yangjyopavItam
 > around their ear (like when one visits a souchAlay) when
 > accepting SatAri and ThIrtam at SwAmi [Desika]'s Sannidhi at
 > the holiest of holy places for a Sri Vaishnavan i.e, SriRangam.

I seriously doubt that this is true. It sounds like one
of those ugly, farfetched rumors that are propagated by
extremists on either side of the Sri Vaishnava schism.  
I have heard numerous such falsities since I have been
privileged to manage this List, and in every instance
each has been proven to be pure, unsubstantiated rumor.

For one, do you think the archakar swAmi at Desikan Sannidhi
would even consider giving tIrtham or SaThAri to someone
who showed such outward signs of disrespect?

Please -- if you hear a rumor, don't believe it unless it
is verified either first-hand or by *unbiased*, authoritative
sources.  At the very least, do not propagate such nonsense
on this list.

Thanks,
Mani



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