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From: Krishna Kalale (krishna_at_nynexst.com)
Date: Fri Apr 07 1995 - 09:46:51 PDT
mani writes: Krishna writes: > coming to naalayiram, they were all "purusha krita" authored by human beings > this makes them not acceptable as valid testimony - even though naalayiram > may explain the truths better than the vedas!! IT is even true that naalayiram > explains vivid details of the experience of God not found in the available > portions of vedas. but when other vedantic > faiths are involved in any argument, naalayiram cannot be brought in as > testimony. I understand your point on inter-scholastic debate, but don't our acharyas consider azhvaar paadals to be apaurusheya in the same sense as the Vedas? I think the normal citation is a paasuram where Nammaazhvaar says that PerumaaL sings through him (the obvious analogy being that just as the rishis were the means for the broadcasting of the Veda, so is Nammaazhvaar simply being used by God as an instrument). Mani ----- End Included Message ----- My answer: You are right, those words of alwars are verily the words of God who used alwars as his divine instruments. In fact 10 alwars have been referred to as "Nava Dasha Avatharas" - new 10 avatars of Sri hari by sri vedanta desika in rahasya traya sara. He states that like how the dark clouds bring up the water of the oceans inaccessible to a majority of human beings for their use, vedas which are inaccessible to many are brought out as these wonderful naalayiram by our alwars. In fact in rahasya traya sara, vedanta desika quotes more from naalayiram rather than even vedas!! so that he can reach the commoner rather than pundits. that is one of the major reasons why rahasya traya sara of vedanta desika is his magnum opus even dethroning his logical master pieces such as tattva mukta kalapa or satadushani! BUT .,....... accepting all the above alwar paadals are not considered as the highest authority since, a saivite can claim that "our nayanmaar's words " are verily the words of Lord shiva who used them as his instrument in his thiruvilaiaadal - or divine play!. Hence we both cannot agree when our views based on different gurus' words are different. Hence we should agree that eventhough we believe that the words of God are words of alwars we cannot use it as testimony in cross culturual debates. Please note that madhura kavi a vedic scholar said that "verornrum naan ariyen" - All I know is the divine words of my guru "Maaran" I dont need anything else. this obviously indicates that the content of nammalwars words indicates so many truths that are hidden in the vedas like needles in a haystack. Even true saivaite authors agree that saivism is not a vedic religion even though, vedas profusely talk about Lord Shiva. The influence of historical rulers in this matter has been different from rational analysis. See the book vaishnavism of DR. SMS chari, in his introduction of first few chapters he states : Agora siva charya a famous saivite author writes, " arvaacheena pandithaihi vedanta vasana vathbihi, saiva mathaha kalusheekrithaha" I might not have quoted him exactly but the meaning is clear that " the new saivaites are polluting the old saivism since they are under the influence of the vedic thought" I should add that Dr. SMS chari's book is excellent, really technical and still simple.