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M.S.HARI (Madabhushi Sarangarajan Hari) • April 4, 2000 


Dear Shree Kasturi Varadarajan,

Description of this state *in terms of* the following
categories which are well-defined in our philosophy is
in brief given below:

1. The jiva, with its svarupa-jnana
Jaagrat : No change
Swapna : No Change
Sushupti : No Change
Moorcha : No Change

2. The jiva's dharma-bhuta-jnana
Jaagrat : As per its Karma
Swapna : As per its Karma but cannot be used
Sushupti : As per its Karma but cannot be used
Moorcha : As per its Karma but cannot be used

3. mind 
Jaagrat : In full usable condition
Swapna : Partially 
Sushupti : No use
Moorcha : No use

4. Indriyas
Jaagrat : In full usable condition
Swapna : No use
Sushupti : No use
Moorcha : No use

5. The gross body
Jaagrat : In full usable condition
Swapna : Can move his body but not under his control
Sushupti : No use
Moorcha : No use

6. External world
Jaagrat : Jeeva Can sense the external world
Swapna : Jeeva Cannot sense the external world
Sushupti :Jeeva Cannot sense the external world
Moorcha :Jeeva Cannot sense the external world

7. Isvara
Jaagrat : Jeeva Can communicate with him in YOGA or If Iswara is willing.
Swapna : Jeeva Can communicate with him If Iswara is willing otherwise not
         but swapna is created by Iswara and not by Jeeva
Sushupti :Jeeva cannot communicate with Iswara but is in union with Iswara
Moorcha : Jeeva cannot communicate with Iswara

Please note that in all the four stages, (Jaagrat, Swapna, Sushupti and
Moorcha) the Jeeva is under the control of the Iswara only. The Iswara
does not experience these four stages though He is always with the Jeeva.
That is why in the Brahma Sutra, after explaining these four stages of
the Jeeva, Veda Vyasa has commenced the "Ubhyalingaadhikaranam" where
Vyasa identifies the Iswara - Shreeman Naaraayana with two identifications
that are 
1. Iswara is attributed with infinite divine qualities
   (Ananta Kalyanaa Gunaakaratvam)
2. Iswara is untouched by all impurities
   (Akila Heya Pratyaneekatvam)

Please do get back to me if you have any doubts regarding this.

Thanks & Regards
M.S.HARI Raamaanuja Daasa





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